ODB 1

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How much intercultural experience do you think you have?

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Jason M. Ham
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ODB 1

Post by Jason M. Ham » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:19 am

Welcome to the ICC ODB. It's great to be working together with you this semester. For the first ODB assignment, we would like to learn a little about each of you. Please write a short narrative paragraph describing one of your intercultural experiences. This can be a story about cultural differences you encountered interacting with people from other countries in Korea or overseas. The format for this paragraph should match the one place/one time format as closely as possible (practiced in Mr. Poole's Inha TESOL Writing class). It should be concise: between 120-150 words and have a clear controlling idea. Remember to reply to at least two other users on this board. Replies should be at least 2 sentences long and contain a question.
(Deadline: 3/20 11:59pm)

ICC eunjeong
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC eunjeong » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:45 am

I'm happy to meet you in this TESOL program. Actually, I might have lots of intercultural experiences but I couldn't remember the episodes about them. So I had to try remember that about for a week because I didn't have a chance to meet a foreign friend thesedays. Anyway, I'm going to tell you one of my intercultural experiences. When I went to Newzealand with my friend to study English, I used to walk to the language scool hand in hand or arm in arm with my female friend. At that time, one of my classmates who were from Thailand was surprised to see us. She said that our actions could be easily misunderstood as lesbians or gays in Thailand. Generally, most girls and women in Korea walk hand in hand or arm in arm with their female friends. We can guess they are very close friends when we see them on the street. I think it is important to know and understand other country's cultures well. We live in an era of internationalization now and we can meet a lot of foreigners any places in the world. In Korea or overseas. I expect to learn English with different cultures of other countries more with you. In fact, It is not easy to me but I will try to study hard. Anyway, If I go to Thailand, I may never walk hand in hand or arm in arm with my female friend but I will do with my husband exactly.^^

ICC Jisu
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC Jisu » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:50 pm

In Japan, people are very careful not to cause any discomfort to others. I travelled Japan twice and saw a lot of people wearing flu masks. It looked really different to me because it's not that usual in Korea. Even though it was not such cold as in midwinter, it was like almost every one out of five people was wearing a mask in a subway. I wondered if Japanese are more sensitive to flu or the air is more polluted. But a friend of mine told me the main reason is that they want to make sure they are not causing discomfort to others by breathing out a contagious virus. Probably in Japanese culture, it is considered to be the most important to live in a big community and respect the others.

ICC Jisu
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC Jisu » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:56 pm

ICC eunjeong wrote:I'm happy to meet you in this TESOL program. Actually, I might have lots of intercultural experiences but I couldn't remember the episodes about them. So I had to try remember that about for a week because I didn't have a chance to meet a foreign friend thesedays. Anyway, I'm going to tell you one of my intercultural experiences. When I went to Newzealand with my friend to study English, I used to walk to the language scool hand in hand or arm in arm with my female friend. At that time, one of my classmates who were from Thailand was surprised to see us. She said that our actions could be easily misunderstood as lesbians or gays in Thailand. Generally, most girls and women in Korea walk hand in hand or arm in arm with their female friends. We can guess they are very close friends when we see them on the street. I think it is important to know and understand other country's cultures well. We live in an era of internationalization now and we can meet a lot of foreigners any places in the world. In Korea or overseas. I expect to learn English with different cultures of other countries more with you. In fact, It is not easy to me but I will try to study hard. Anyway, If I go to Thailand, I may never walk hand in hand or arm in arm with my female friend but I will do with my husband exactly.^^

I had the same experience in America. I had lived with my best friend for six months. When we walked arm-in-arm or ordered only one dish and said we would share it, I felt we looked strange.

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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC_MyungYeon » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:42 am

I'd like to talk my experience in Japan.
Once i travelled in Japnan by subway, I found that many Japanese did not use a cell phone to talk on the subway.
They were prefer to make a text massage.I heard that they did not want to disturb others by their talking expecially in the morning. So many Japanese tried to avoid to talk on the phone or talk with really silent voice on the subway.
My friends and I could not make a call there and if I talked on the phone, I shoud make a very silent voice to follow it.
It was quiet differnce from Korea. In Korea, we are very genouse to use a cell phone on the subway. Even they talk loudly.
I think, Japanese are more considered to keep the public rule to not disturb each others to make more pleasant enviroment.

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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICCseonhee » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:39 am

I'd like to talk about chinese.
According to my experience as a senior or trainer of chinese people - in my company there are many local crews so i had to work with them on the wing or train them to make them as a flight attendents- they always tend to give evidence of their behaviors especially wrong behaviors or mistakes. so it' was not easy for me to adjust to their behavior at the first time.
Once i try to fix them or point out their doings , they don't admit their mistakes or faults and also say nothing to sorry and then try to find excuses.
It's very significant difference between us and them. Usually when people find their mistakes they try to express thier sorriness and improve something. It is natural.
That's why I suffered with them. so I started to study chinese culture and thoughts. Studying other culture and their thoughts gave surprise and realization to me.
Chineses have been trained to find their primafacie evidence of the reason at any time of their life from childhood. It's because of their political and social backgrounds.
They think that if they admit their faults they must get punishment so never admit.
That's the point what I didn't know. After knowing that I could understand their thoughts and acts and also I tried to find other ways to train them and to make them better employee.^^

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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC kyoung a » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:35 am

I have been to many countries and I really like traveling.
For me, it is about learning other countries, histories and cultures.
The most memorable place I have ever visited was Rome.
There were so many fantastic historical places and lots of food and so many kinds of fruits. I loved try to tasting foreign food and tropical fruits.
I had a lot of greasy food in Rome. I had to go to a toilet frequently.
Whenever I went to a toilet I had to pay for using it and I feel like that it is too expensive.
In korea, we are able to use a toilet without paying.
I was embarrassed to pay for using it and I realized that I live in more convenient place to using public toilet^^*

ICC eunjeong
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC eunjeong » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:24 pm

ICC_MyungYeon wrote:I'd like to talk my experience in Japan.
Once i travelled in Japnan by subway, I found that many Japanese did not use a cell phone to talk on the subway.
They were prefer to make a text massage.I heard that they did not want to disturb others by their talking expecially in the morning. So many Japanese tried to avoid to talk on the phone or talk with really silent voice on the subway.
My friends and I could not make a call there and if I talked on the phone, I shoud make a very silent voice to follow it.
It was quiet differnce from Korea. In Korea, we are very genouse to use a cell phone on the subway. Even they talk loudly.
I think, Japanese are more considered to keep the public rule to not disturb each others to make more pleasant enviroment.

I think they have a good manners. Actually, it is a true that some people, myself included, make a noise with their cell phones on the subway in Korea. I reflect on my conduct and I'll try to make a text massage instead of making a noise with my cell phone.

ICCdayeong
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICCdayeong » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:35 pm

When i went to Japan for sightseeing, it looked simmilar to Korea. Tokyo city image like to Seoul.
However, Japane was a little different.
First, Whenever I visited famous restorants crowded with local people, the food was always saulty and fishy.
For example, They made meat sause raw to use egg.
Second, young japanes wore comic costumes. So, I felt in animation.

ICC eunjeong
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC eunjeong » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:48 pm

ICC kyoung a wrote:I have been to many countries and I really like traveling.
For me, it is about learning other countries, histories and cultures.
The most memorable place I have ever visited was Rome.
There were so many fantastic historical places and lots of food and so many kinds of fruits. I loved try to tasting foreign food and tropical fruits.
I had a lot of greasy food in Rome. I had to go to a toilet frequently.
Whenever I went to a toilet I had to pay for using it and I feel like that it is too expensive.
In korea, we are able to use a toilet without paying.
I was embarrassed to pay for using it and I realized that I live in more convenient place to using public toilet^^*
Exactly, I agree with you, we live in a nice country about this matter. I love Korea!!^^ However, even if it is uncomfortable to use a toilet, I'd like to go to Rome once.

ICC eunjeong
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC eunjeong » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:08 pm

ICC Jisu wrote:In Japan, people are very careful not to cause any discomfort to others. I travelled Japan twice and saw a lot of people wearing flu masks. It looked really different to me because it's not that usual in Korea. Even though it was not such cold as in midwinter, it was like almost every one out of five people was wearing a mask in a subway. I wondered if Japanese are more sensitive to flu or the air is more polluted. But a friend of mine told me the main reason is that they want to make sure they are not causing discomfort to others by breathing out a contagious virus. Probably in Japanese culture, it is considered to be the most important to live in a big community and respect the others.
As you mentioned, it is important to have got a consideration for others. And in addition, we need to take a mask for our health nowadays. According to the weather forecast, there will be a wave the last cold snap from tuesday. Take care !

ICCwonhee
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICCwonhee » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:32 am

I'd like to talk about an experience in Philippines.
Five years ago, i stayed at cebu and met a Filipina teacher. she had a qualification for teaching but she got a trouble with english pronunciation. It sounded like Tagalog. Many students wanted to change her class and i wanted also. But i had no chose because she was crying too much even in front of students. So, i tried to encourage her and said students moving your class are foolish, if we can't communicate with you how can we do it with people form non-english speakng country. Next day, she invited me for dinner. and i herad she thought that i love her from another teacher. I thank what i did for her is natual and normal in korea but in Philippines, thay take it more seriously. I learn something from this experience that the way to take emotion and to interpret can be quite different in each country.
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ICC kyoung a
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC kyoung a » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:38 am

ICC eunjeong wrote:I'm happy to meet you in this TESOL program. Actually, I might have lots of intercultural experiences but I couldn't remember the episodes about them. So I had to try remember that about for a week because I didn't have a chance to meet a foreign friend thesedays. Anyway, I'm going to tell you one of my intercultural experiences. When I went to Newzealand with my friend to study English, I used to walk to the language scool hand in hand or arm in arm with my female friend. At that time, one of my classmates who were from Thailand was surprised to see us. She said that our actions could be easily misunderstood as lesbians or gays in Thailand. Generally, most girls and women in Korea walk hand in hand or arm in arm with their female friends. We can guess they are very close friends when we see them on the street. I think it is important to know and understand other country's cultures well. We live in an era of internationalization now and we can meet a lot of foreigners any places in the world. In Korea or overseas. I expect to learn English with different cultures of other countries more with you. In fact, It is not easy to me but I will try to study hard. Anyway, If I go to Thailand, I may never walk hand in hand or arm in arm with my female friend but I will do with my husband exactly.^^
I also had the same experience in Europe. When I went to some kinds of square. I lean against my friend's shoulder. Suddenly some merchant came to my friend, he asked to her how about buying a flower for me. I guessed he misunderstood our relationship.^^

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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICC steve » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:40 am

Am I narrow-minded?

Two years ago I was so glad to have a native teacher in our school for the first time. I was assigned to take care of the new teacher. I did almost everything for him I could, including finding an ampartment, furniture, document works, and taking him to neighborhood and city tours, etc... He's American from California. I shared my office with him. We spent a lot of time together. Very frequently I took him out for lunch and dinner and always paid for the meals. Of course, he said, 'Thanks a lot for lunch or dinner'. Here are some problems related to the principle:gve and take. I'm not sure if i'm so narrow-minded. In a Korean way of thinking, if somebody treats you dinner, then most people think they owe the other person and try to retreat him later. That is one of Korean values and i think it's a good way to make a close relationship. However, he did not suggest having dinner on his charge. So let me ask you, "Is it typical of Western culture to say just "Thanks for inviting dinner", without retreating the other person?

ICCwonhee
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Re: ODB 1

Post by ICCwonhee » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:42 am

ICCseonhee wrote:I'd like to talk about chinese.
According to my experience as a senior or trainer of chinese people - in my company there are many local crews so i had to work with them on the wing or train them to make them as a flight attendents- they always tend to give evidence of their behaviors especially wrong behaviors or mistakes. so it' was not easy for me to adjust to their behavior at the first time.
Once i try to fix them or point out their doings , they don't admit their mistakes or faults and also say nothing to sorry and then try to find excuses.
It's very significant difference between us and them. Usually when people find their mistakes they try to express thier sorriness and improve something. It is natural.
That's why I suffered with them. so I started to study chinese culture and thoughts. Studying other culture and their thoughts gave surprise and realization to me.
Chineses have been trained to find their primafacie evidence of the reason at any time of their life from childhood. It's because of their political and social backgrounds.
They think that if they admit their faults they must get punishment so never admit.
That's the point what I didn't know. After knowing that I could understand their thoughts and acts and also I tried to find other ways to train them and to make them better employee.^^
While I was reading your writing I smiled and had fun. beacuse I have a similar experience to yours. I've seen lots of chineses who work for my father as a cleaner. They never admit their mistake and always try to find excuse without saying sorry. I agree that It's because they have been living socialist state.
and when i explain something thay say "yes" even they don't understand. So now i don't expect them too much.

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